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Poster: reviewr Date: Jul 31, 2011 7:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The Concert for Bangladesh

You may have seen at Dead.net that there is a link to watch "The Concert for Bangladesh". I just finished watching it for the first time in many years. It is all real good, but for me Mr. Dylan completely steals the show.

One of the songs he performs is "Just Like A Woman". From a male point of view I totally get this song, but I wonder what women think.

To the women out there: Do you find this song offensive?

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Aug 1, 2011 7:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Concert for Bangladesh

I'm not a woman, but I hate the chorus of that song, I think it is a huge artistic lapse on Dylan's part. I think Dylan is a titan and a genius, but that chorus is a cringe-inducing monstrosity. I think Dylan wrote the greatest album of heartbreak ever in Blood on the Tracks, but his work isn't flawless, and the chorus of "Just Like a Woman" is an example of his lyrics going wrong. The sentimentality is false and condescending.

It frustrates me because the verses are superb, both lyrically and musically!

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Aug 1, 2011 4:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Concert for Bangladesh

so my wife says to me, "geez, you're a misogynist asshole."

"misogynist?" I replied, "where'd a pretty thing like you learn such a big word like 'misogynist'?"

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Poster: snori Date: Aug 2, 2011 12:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Concert for Bangladesh

Our version goes

'don't patronise me' - 'how clever of you to notice'

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 1, 2011 6:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Concert for Bangladesh

I agree that Dylan stole the show. I thought his performance was just great - especially on Just Like a Woman.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 1, 2011 7:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sexist Lyrics?

No, but that's cuz it's Dylan. For me, the artistry of someone of Dylan's calibre just means that there's a kind of nuance to a song and its lyrics that would definitely not be the case if some of the same words ("fakes just like a woman ... breaks like a little girl") had come from, say, Styx or Aerosmith.

Even in my 20s, when I was involved in a lot of women's groups and feminist actions and so on, I wasn't at all bothered by lyrics that could be construed as sexist on the face of it if the artist or band had depth and richness and the overall world view being voiced wasn't a shallow, objectifying one. I'm fine with point of view or narrative storyline. A case in point being, say, Jack Straw ... or Loose Lucy :-) (OK, that SONG may not have much higher meaning in it, but ya know what I mean. It never bothered me.)

Whereas I definitely get bent out of shape even now about "bitch" lyrics in rap. What impacts me, I guess, is partly the richness and nuance (or lack thereof), partly what I sense of the overall way of looking at the world that's embodied in the music.

So, that's why not :-)



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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 1, 2011 7:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sexist Lyrics?

I totally get your point regarding artistry and the overall world view of the artist. Strangely though, my wife has a very strong revulsion with "Lay Lady Lay" but loves "Positively 4th Street." Sweet and sour don't mix for her apparently.

We can readily dismiss all the misogyny to be found in rap "music" - but at the risk of a slight hijack here - are there other mainstream artists that women can't stand, primarily for their world view? For example, she will also immediately turn off any Rod Stewart in total disgust, especially Maggie May... does Billy Joel fit in this category? (Just the Way You Are, She's always a Woman...) Others?

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Poster: clashcity Date: Aug 1, 2011 4:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sexist Lyrics?

She could also be having feelings of revulsion due to Lay Lady Lay being a pretty horrible song.

One of the 2 or 3 Dylan songs I skip without a 2nd thought.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 1, 2011 8:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sexist Lyrics?

Good question. See, Maggie May doesn't bother me -- but I'm pretty sure that's just because I associate it with being 10 or 11 with the radio on! There might also be an aspect of Dylan that I "grandfather in" mentally cuz it's not my generation, and I tend to see things in historical context, so I perceive the point of view as specific to the mid 60s, or at least that's a layer that's part of how I process it. So it's not "about me" per se.

I don't like Billy Joel, but that's about the music, not the lyrics. I'll have to think if there's an artist or song I'd like if it weren't for the lyrics ... hmmmmmm ...

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2011-08-01 15:09:12